Minority taking away the rights of the majority? I don’t see it as that. It’s the majority taking away the rights from the minority. With abortion legal, no one is forced to have an abortion, It remains a choice for all. With it illegal, it labels it a crime for some, based on the opinions of the majority. Rolling back to where it used to be is not progress.

Guess the only thing we agree upon are gay bar analogies and our self-professed conservative and liberal labels.

—- There is a large difference between believing in all the regulations and the fallacies of global warming theorists and not wanting your city to look trashed with Arby’s cups. One can be against the alarmists but still care about trash on the ground.

“And glad you liked the gar bar analogy. 50/50 is a big stretch. I’ll give you 80/20.”

— Hehe well I just made a post about it.

“And I stand corrected. I will refer to you as a conservative, just as I would be rather referred to as a liberal.”

—- Deal.

—- If by this you are saying that they are not the same because abortion is legal you would technically be right by the term. However, it is a counter productive argument as pro lifers are attempting to get it illegalized as it was back then.

“But yet, people still kill other people. If you do not support the right for a person to kill someone else, then how do you prevent that person from doing so, even if it’s already against the law? If they kill someone with a knife, do you pass laws making knives illegal? If they kill someone with rat poison, do you pass laws to make all poisons illegal? A gun? A baseball bat? A car? It becomes an endless list of removing any object that can kill another human being.”

—- I believe this might be a bit off topic. The only time I usually see this is argument is when people are anti gun. I am not for banning weapons. I do believe that the laws in place for killing are sufficient. However, abortion is still legal.

“My point is this: Push to repeal Roe v. Wade and abortion is illegal. If it’s illegal, you and everyone else that shares your same position on abortion have to know that abortions will still take place, regardless of it being illegal. Yes, you may have reduced abortions in the process or made them harder to get, but they will still happen. Just because you and others want to revoke the right for a woman to choose, there are women that will still choose, regardless of the law. Making it illegal doesn’t take away the choice.”

—- Of course. I do not disagree with this statement. However the argument that someone will do it anyways does not seem to me, to be a legitimate argument for keeping it legal. I am not sure if that is what your argument is but just in case.

“This is my point in being pro-choice. I may disagree with someone’s choice to abort a baby, but it’s not my right to tell that person what they can or can’t do with something they have growing inside them.”

—- It is certainly your right if it is a protected human being. Do you believe it is our government’s right to keep murder illegal?

“Should it be illegal? Personally, no and never. I hope Roe v. Wade never gets repealed. Is it killing someone? To some people, it is. To others, it’s a choice.”

—- Same could be said about rapes…and murders of those outside the womb.

“Ask anyone if it’s wrong to kill a middle aged man with a gun because he got in the way and I can bet 100% of the people will agree, even though some may find ways to justify it. It was someone’s choice to kill that man, but that man was a tax-paying US citizen with an assigned Social Security Number. That’s what makes it illegal.”

—- However killing those WITHOUT a social security number is also illegal in the United States. A newborn baby is not a tax payer. That is not what qualifies as a human being.

“I know this is such a touchy subject and stance, and I know you and a majority of people see it as murder, but until that child is born and comes out of the womb, in the eyes of the legal system, all religious God beliefs aside, it’s not a living human being yet.”

—- In the eyes of the legal system not to long ago it WAS seen as a human being. As I said before, counter productive. Scientifically speaking it is a human being. The law has only until recently recognized this. The argument is that the law is flawed and incorrect. My argument is that it is flawed scientifically and legally as well from the a constitutional standpoint.

“I say all of this not to change your mind, but to not push for abortion to be illegal. That’s where it is a majority taking away that right from a minority. That goes against the very basis of the constitution.”

—- Or is it the minority taking the right from a majority of 1 million children per year?

Avoid thinking of it as global warming. Think of it as having an overall respect for the entire planet. If Al Gore gives you a bad taste in your mouth, you’ve let the media blind you to the real issues. Proof and research can be fluff. Reality is a bit easier to swallow. Just a thought.

And glad you liked the gar bar analogy. 50/50 is a big stretch. I’ll give you 80/20.

And I stand corrected. I will refer to you as a conservative, just as I would be rather referred to as a liberal.

You share your stance on abortion with a large number of people. To say you are not alone in how you feel, is an understatement. And I can actually see how you feel the way you do. Your belief is that an unborn child needs to be protected.

You state in defense against abortion that “just as I do not support a person’s right to say, kill someone.” Last time I checked, it was against the law to kill another person. But yet, people still kill other people. If you do not support the right for a person to kill someone else, then how do you prevent that person from doing so, even if it’s already against the law? If they kill someone with a knife, do you pass laws making knives illegal? If they kill someone with rat poison, do you pass laws to make all poisons illegal? A gun? A baseball bat? A car? It becomes an endless list of removing any object that can kill another human being.

My point is this: Push to repeal Roe v. Wade and abortion is illegal. If it’s illegal, you and everyone else that shares your same position on abortion have to know that abortions will still take place, regardless of it being illegal. Yes, you may have reduced abortions in the process or made them harder to get, but they will still happen. Just because you and others want to revoke the right for a woman to choose, there are women that will still choose, regardless of the law. Making it illegal doesn’t take away the choice.

This is my point in being pro-choice. I may disagree with someone’s choice to abort a baby, but it’s not my right to tell that person what they can or can’t do with something they have growing inside them. Should it be illegal? Personally, no and never. I hope Roe v. Wade never gets repealed. Is it killing someone? To some people, it is. To others, it’s a choice. Ask anyone if it’s wrong to kill a middle aged man with a gun because he got in the way and I can bet 100% of the people will agree, even though some may find ways to justify it. It was someone’s choice to kill that man, but that man was a tax-paying US citizen with an assigned Social Security Number. That’s what makes it illegal.

I know this is such a touchy subject and stance, and I know you and a majority of people see it as murder, but until that child is born and comes out of the womb, in the eyes of the legal system, all religious God beliefs aside, it’s not a living human being yet.

I say all of this not to change your mind, but to not push for abortion to be illegal. That’s where it is a majority taking away that right from a minority. That goes against the very basis of the constitution.

You will think this is ignorant I am sure, however, I do not believe we need to do anything differently. Recycling is a good thing not just because of the environment but it is great to reuse things. That is why I am for it. But if the sole reason was that it was causing global warming I would think it was a crock. If it was somehow proven that our air conditions are worse and it is because of what we put out and because of that possibly causing say…cancer….and that by doing everything thats being proposed it could make some significant difference…then I could be more gung ho about it.

Same-sex marriage – The one thing we agree upon is the one thing I was sure we wouldn’t.

Looks like we still have differing opinions on all of the other positions, but you brought up something on global warming that posed a question: are you for or against recycling and if you don’t think it makes a difference, why? Global warming isn’t just about changes in the weather or what comes out the tailpipe or a smoke stack. Your post talks about people blaming the different weather changes on it, but it’s much larger than that. You did a lot of research on this subject, but only limited your post to carbon output and weather-related concerns. And you agree we need to do something, but because it came from someone you have a distaste for, you call it being “overblown”. Maybe I missed one of your responses in the many comments left, but I see your statement of “we need to do something” as more of a passive statement than something you really believe in. If my assumption of how I read your verbage on your blog is wrong, let me know, and I’ll see if I can dig further, but I think your debating points are to drive a set point instead of looking at the bigger picture.

I don’t mind reading stuff and being open to different ideas. I admit to being set in my beliefs and positions and I really don’t care to change anyone’s mind about certain subjects like religion or belief in God. Those are personal beliefs. It’s when those beliefs get turned into law and affect everyone – believers and non-believers that I get passionate and vocal.

I’ll be honest.. I don’t mind healthy debates, but what I said in my blog post above was how I feel when visiting your blog. It’s 95% of the visitors that are “Yay.. go Amanda” and the other 5% that feel like the only straight people at a gay bar. They try to mix in with the crowd by taking about how they fucked a woman last night, and the host gives them a “That’s nice and all, but this is a gay bar” It would be the same thing if you went over to Daily Kos and tried to give your opinions. They are pretty liberal there and while I happen to like most of what they post, I also disagree with what they have to say at times.

I’m not someone that agrees with everything the liberal side agrees with. There are Democrats that rile my blood almost as much as some Republicans. But I am progressive and really want things to improve. Can Republicans improve things? If you listen to them, then sure. But track records speak louder than campaign promises. And as long as I’ve been voting (27 years now), I have felt comfortable for the candidates I’ve voted for.

And thanks for the kind word on the post. It is appreciated.

1- Abortion – I do not support the right of a woman to choose when it comes to this particular matter just as I do not support a person’s right to say, kill someone. The reason being, I believe that the unborn child is a life and therefor protected. These rights automatically trump a mother’s wants. The only cases this would not occur in are mother’s health exceptions.

(Ps- Obama is for FOCA being signed back in. A bill that I cannot stand not only for false statements such as one million women resorting to illegal abortions but also because it leads to partial birth abortion being legal. Not that Obama minds that since he was against the IILA)

Global Warming – Our “acceleration” as you put it is insignificant. Our world is going through cooling and heating all the time. Recently, theorists claimed global warming is now going into a 10 year “hiding” period. That’s what we call cooling which is also what we call normal.

http://bloggingforfaith.blogspot.com/2008/01/oh-man-its-coldmust-be-global-warming.html#comments

Same-Sex Marriage – For it, actually.

Evolution – Evolution happens and it is real…well that applies to macro evolution. This is the evolution we can see and prove. As far as Darwinism evolution, I don’t buy it.

Things do not evolve based on science. Science is study of the earth. Science, technically, has not always existed.

Just because someone might be born without an arm does not mean that a creator does not exist. Sometimes defects happen while the child is in the womb. Other times, it is a direct affect of the DNA of the mother and father. I do not believe God shapes and forms the baby without an arm then magically places it in utero. He placed a plan…a way of creating new life.

http://bloggingforfaith.blogspot.com/2008/01/evidences-of-god.html#comments

Church and State – http://bloggingforfaith.blogspot.com/2008/01/today-i-found-interesting-scholarship.html#comments

Universal Health Care – Against it due to too much government power.

Ok so you will notice I gave a lot of links…only because I have talked about it before. In my archives January has the most political, religious posts I would say…even Febuary. You don’t have to go by them but they are there hehe. Nice post by the way. I love when people outline what they believe in.

There might be relatively-little reverse discrimination, but every time one of these goal/quota/preferences is put in place, racial discrimination does occur. I think it is a poor and counter-productive idea to try to make things better by discriminating against individuals who have not been proven to have done any wrong.

I’ve had people tell me that it is OK if affirmative action keeps a few hundred white kids out of college or out of jobs because of the required racial discrimination of preferences and quotas, since that is a small number. It directly contradicts typical liberal and “civil liberties” concerns where a big deal is made (and rightly so) if even one person’s rights are trampled.

I agree with Martymankins, who supports the types of affirmative action programs (near as I can read) that don’t involve this. There are ways to broaden opportunities and open doors that don’t involve incredibly clumsy attempts at “racial justice” by slamming doors in other people’s faces.